Suicide rates are up. Mental Health professionals are saying Depression is at an all time high. Psychiatrists are having a field day.
What is that all about?
The most immediate answer is that Isolation can cause depression. But is that what is really going on? The answer may not be what you think…
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April 25, 2020
Podcast, Episode 2
Through the Mind, Isolation & Depression
Hello friends. Welcome to another insightful episode of Through the Mind Discovering Mental Health with me, your amateur host, Matson Breakey, where my goal is to help us all become more successful in life, by having a better understanding of our human minds, our human bodies and our human spirit.
Today I want to talk about Isolation and Depression. Obviously, that is a heavy topic right now because this recording is being done on April 22nd, 2020 because the Covid-19 “crisis”, we have been in social isolation for about six weeks, about a month and a half, pretty much suppressed by this concept of staying in place of sheltering in place for about six weeks.
Some of you are doing so as a being self-quarantined. My wife is an example with her immunocompromised situation. She is, she is immunocompromised so therefore she is decided to be self-quarantined.
By the way, let's clear up a couple of things - Isolation and quarantine are a couple different terms and I actually had to clear this up. I didn't quite understand it. My wife said she was self-quarantine and I had to keep telling her no, no, no, you're not quarantined. You don't actually have the sickness. Well that was my mistake. I had to go look up quarantine and of course it comes from the idea of quarter or 40 or 40. It comes from back when the plague happened and ships were coming in to Venice, Italy, they were made to stay out to sea for 40 days. Hence quarantine. Not because anybody was sick, but because the process of quarantine ensures that nobody is sick as they come in. So, that was a little definition, clarification for all of us in case we had any misunderstood on that, because I definitely did. Which is why I do this show quite selfishly, I'm trying to learn as well.
I'm doing this and I have the stack of stuff here and a Evernote app full of clippings because I'm trying to learn and as I learn and I share that with you, I'm hoping that you enjoy it enough to learn with me and to share with me as well.
So, my wife, because of her immunocompromised situation, her status, she has, I won't get into details, but she needs to be quarantined or she's self-quarantined. Not me! For me, I have a business that is deemed essential. Therefore, I have the opportunity and I'll call it an opportunity because it's better than being stuck at home all the time to go to work every day and help my customers and ensure that my employees can continue to do something and not be, again, isolated at home.
Why this episode? So, isolation, depression, because it is such a prevalent point with all this data coming out about people being stuck about this isolation leading to loneliness, loneliness, leading to depression. I wasn't quite sure if that truly is the reason why suicide rates are up or depression is up, and remember, if you listen to my first episode, I'm skeptic about everything that comes out from the media. I'm skeptic about everything comes out from government. I am skeptic about anything that comes out from the Mental Health Industry to explain a way, something,
So, let's take a chance to look into it. Let's dig a little bit deeper. What is isolation? So, let's define that. Let's figure out how they define isolation, how it's defined officially for Mental Health and for health purposes and for what we've been doing and then we'll go from there.
I did a little search on Wikipedia of isolation, you can do this too, and of course when I, when there's a word like isolation, Wikipedia gives you a little bit of an index and so I went through and I found three different definitions for isolation. First let's tackle the oldest definition of isolation that I could find. That is the psychological definition, according to Wikipedia, isolation as its offense mechanism in psychoanalytic theory first proposed by that Freud, Sigmund Freud, that fraud Sigmund Freud. I always loved that his name is one letter away from fraud, Sigmund Freud while related to repression, the concept distinguishes itself in several ways. It is characterized as a mental process involving the creation of a gap between an unpleasant or threatening cognition and other thoughts and feelings by minimizing associative connections with other thoughts that threatening cognition is remembered less often and it's less likely to affect self-esteem or self-concept.
So, isolation, that's more like saying, I am not going to, I am going to push away and take a thought or a process or something that occurred in my life and I'm going to repress it. Even though it says related repression, it distinguishes itself in several ways. It is characterized by a mental process involved, the creation of a gap. You are mentally creating a gap. You are mentally pushing yourself away. That's what they're trying to say. So, when you isolate, you can isolate a portion of your memories away. All right, fine.
Now let's look at the emotional isolation in Wikipedia. Emotional isolation is a state of isolation where one may have a well-functioning social network but still feel emotionally separated from others. Well, that is probably much more open today. I mean, gosh, we are so social network now with computers even today, as many of you are sitting at home, you have a computer in front of you, you have your Facebook. My wife commented though just tonight that Facebook is not fun anymore because it's no longer about what people are doing with their lives and no longer about the joy of taking your kids out or the joy of going for a bike ride. It's all about social isolation. It's all about Covid-19. It's all about memes about this means about that. So even then you have the social network, but you and I both know there are people out there and I'm sure you can spot somebody right now or think of somebody right now who has a vast social network but doesn't necessarily have any friends, doesn't necessarily have somebody they can call on, doesn't necessarily have somebody to confide in. Right? So, you can have a vast social network.
It comes down to the idea of friends versus acquaintances. I will admit I have a very wide-ranging group of acquaintances. People I know. I have a very, very close, little, small little group of good, good friends that I can confide in, but I do consider all my acquaintances to be friends. I do consider that big group out there to be friends because there are people that I will do something for and people that will do things for me, which is the definition of a friend, right? But you get so many people that have the social network that have all these different acquaintances, but don't really have somebody they can call upon to say, Hey, I need help. Or Hey, I want to run something by you or hey, I have an idea.
Now let's look at isolation according to healthcare, which is something we are pretty much dealing with that, right? When you think of social isolation, this is the healthcare definition in Healthcare Facilities - isolation represents one of several measures that can be taken to implement infection control. Oh, that's not quite what we expected! Was it? The prevention of contagious diseases from being spread a patient to other patients, Healthcare Workers and visitors, or from outsiders to a particular patient. Various forms of isolation exist and some of which contact procedures are modified. So, here's the deal, right now we're in social isolation. Now let's get into nuances. Earlier I said had to look up the definition of quarantine. This is interesting, when language is used, I would say against us, not for us, against us. Do you think we would have all stayed home if they had started calling it social quarantine? Do you think we all would have felt comfortable with social quarantine? I don't think so.
Social isolation, yes, but isolation's definition for healthcare is when you are sick, you are isolated. When you are not sick, you are quarantined to see if you're going to be sick. So pretty much by calling, the social isolation is saying, yep, alright, we're isolating y'all guys because we're expecting you to get sick. We're expecting you, expecting you to already be sick on, you remember the numbers they came out with, the scare that came across with these millions of potential deaths, social isolation, but it does sound a lot better than social quarantine, doesn't it? Definition of isolation. All right. When it comes down to is isolation is separating somebody out and putting them in a position where they are not going to effect someone else. Right? But let me give you another definition. Let me give you a little different take on isolation for me.
We are being isolated so that we will not cause problems. We are being isolated so that we will not have any issues against those who are trying to suppress us. Suppression is another word for isolation, in this case, suppression. What do I mean by suppression? Suppression is very simply when you are suppressed, you are a force against you for which you cannot fight back. Can we fight back against isolation? No, no, no. Cause if you were to fight back against it, if you were to say no, well then you're going to be classified as somebody who doesn't care about your community, doesn't care about your fellow man. Even though my company that I, my day job was open, we received emails. How can you be an essential business? You're not an essential business. You need to need to help us all flatten the curve.
Well how do you fight back against that? because if I tell the guy you're right, well that I should close my doors, but if I tell the guy, no, you're wrong, then I'm a bad person. So, this whole drama is being written out and played out in front of our eyes in order for us to not be able to fight back. But who's doing that? Who are the forces putting this suppression on our lines? So, here's the, here's the problem with suppression. If you can't fight back against suppression, you are in a dwindling spiral. If you can't fight back against oppression, you are in a dwindling spiral. What I mean by dwindling spiral, what do I mean by that? Just think about going down and down and down and down. Think about a time in your life. Think about a moment now I can, I can give my own examples, but a moment in your life where you were trying to accomplish something and every time you did it, you failed. It didn't come out right. It could have been as simple as trying to get your mom's attention or your dad's attention or being at a meeting and trying to get somebody's attention or being at a party and a bunch of people talking and you're trying to get someone's attention. It could be that girl you were trying to date and she kept saying no. It could be the job you were trying to do and you kept being told you were doing it wrong. It could be any number of things. It could be as simple as you're trying to hammer a nail and I guess wouldn't work. When you started the process of hammering that nail and you were enthusiastic about it. Yeah. All right, I'm going to fix this thing. Yeah, that's great. Done. Damn. Dammit. Darn that nail. I'll get another tool. Nah, I'm bad. It's still not working right. It's ah, now the board broke, ah, to the point where, Oh, you hear film or something and now you're angry. You throw the hammer across the room.
I've seen golfers like that. You get out there, hit that ball. Ch ah, Mitch. Ah, frustrated time and again, the goal not being achieved, not being able to achieve one to do and getting frustrated and going from enthusiasm down, down, down, emotionally to anger, apathy to depression, right down to where all of a sudden you're going, ah, the heck with this. I don't want to do this anymore. So, that’s what happens when suppression is on your lines, when you are trying to do the same thing, you'd keep him to try to do it. You're trying to make something happen, you're trying to do something and you can't. So, this whole thing of social isolation is basically said you can't do what you want to do. Be at home, play with your kids, but you can't go to the park. You know, you got to invent new ways. Some people are very successful at that, but you can even get to the point, like my wife recently told me, it feels like Groundhog Day. What she means by that - every day is the same. Now understand that, my wife is amazing with the kids and she absolutely loves to take them out. I have a three-year-old, a four-year-old and a 10-month-old. The three old and four-year-old, she makes sure they get to go out to the children's museum once a week. They go to the park every couple of days. They get out and do things. They go walk over at grandma's house. They do things almost every day and that was their routine and then we'll get to do any of that now. So, there's even a suppression on them, even though they don't quite get it.
Their isolation is suppressing their own ability. They manifest that suppression in different ways. Some of us will manifest that, but that suppression as depression, but what do we mean by depression? What is depression? We keep using that term. Let me give you the psychiatric definition of depression. It is a common and serious medical illness that negatively affects how you feel, the way you think and how you act. Depression causes feelings of sadness and or a loss of interest in activities once enjoyed, it can lead to a variety of emotional and physical problems and get a reason person's ability to function at work or at home.
There's a lot of symptoms they have less to do, like feeling sad or having a depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure, changes in appetite, trouble sleeping or sleeping too much. Loss of energy or increase in fatigue, increase in purposeless physical activity, things like hand ringing or slowed movements in speech, feeling worthless or guilty. Difficulty thinking, concentrating or making decisions. Thoughts of death or suicide. Well, other than the suicide, I've pretty much had every one of those things at some point in my life, and maybe you have to, maybe you have that right now, but is that really a mental illness or it is just a description of how we feel, when we can't really do anything. Right? Like when we're low emotionally. So, what do I mean by that? If you imagine that emotions are on a scale and this can be proved, it's been proven before that motions exist in relative position to each other, right? Like if you are extremely happy, man, you are just at the top of the world, right? That phrase top of the world, but if you're a totally an apathy and oppress, you're in the bottom of the pits. Those phrases, bottom of the pits, top of the world aren't just descriptions of something that were drawn out of no place there. There's some validity there, because when you are in totally enthusiastic, you are at the top. All the hormones in your body are running at a great level. Everything is going good. You can see clearly, you're happy. You can think clearly. You're the best you can be, but when you're an apathy, when you're in, when you're depressed, you might say you're the worst you can be. Things are running slower. The mind isn't working properly. You forget things. You don't really want to do anything. You don't want to get out of bed. You don't want to go to sleep.
On an emotional level you are at the bottom of the barrel. So, what causes that? Let's go back to that dwindling spiral I talked about earlier. Alright, that dwindling spiral. When you want to do something and you're excited about it and you're at that top of that emotional like, "I am going to tackle that project". "I am going to get that new job". "I am going to go out and make myself better." I going to go back to school. I'm going to make sure that our, my wife and my marriage succeeds. I am going to make sure that I do things well, when you're, when you're doing that, you're enthusiastic, you're driven, and that every time you hit your head against the wall not able to do that, not able to succeed, suppression pushing you back, stopping you, stopping you, stopping you. You go down emotionally until you are sitting in this world of, "I can't do anything." "I don't want to do anything". "Life isn't worth it", and on an emotional level, depression is right above death. The concept of suicide is not unheard of when people are sitting at that deep of a true depression. Cause all it takes is one more push, one more push.
So, tying this back in depression to isolation to suppression. When we're sitting here and we're being told you can't go outside, you can't do the things you normally do. Now, even though I get to go out to work, I mentioned this in our first episode, there's many different ways isolation expresses itself, represents itself. For instance, I'm around people all day. I'm not isolated, but I can't shake anybody's hand. I can't give them a hug. I got to stand six feet away from them. I can't have more a couple of people in my office. I'm wearing a mask. Everybody else is wearing masks. I can't have customers walk in the front door. That may not be as bad as being quarantined, but to me it's still an isolation. To me it is still a suppression. I am still being suppressed. I still am being suppressed by being told what I can or can't do because this is all for the quote and quote good of the community. I didn't opt for that. You didn't opt for the situation you're in. You might be thinking but, but, but this is for the good for the community. This is for the good. Well this show is not going to be about the statistics of Covid-19. The statistics that are coming out, it's going to be for historians two or three years from now to figure out the truth about all of this and whether it was all worth it. That's not what this show is about, but in my mind, the way I see things, I'm being unnecessarily detained from living life. I am being suppressed. You may look at it a little bit differently and I appreciate that you do, but when you're in isolation or people you know are in isolation, isolation for some people is a step away from loneliness.
Found this interesting article, so, it talks about loneliness. So, what is loneliness? because isolation is just steps away from loneliness for many, many, many people. The term was first used at the end of the 16th century to define the condition of being solitary, quote and quote, the condition of being solitary, loneliness, and that's what isolation is basically, right? Heck, they could have called this social loneliness, but again, a term that we would not have found helpful, but who are the forces behind the suppression? Who are the forces causing loneliness? Who are the forces causing this isolation? Well, there's three main ones that I've found in my research and ones that I have had a very long history with. One is the media also known as the Merchants of Chaos. One is Opportunistic Politicians. In a former life, I was one. and Opportunistic Experts. If you watch the news, which God, I hope you don't, but if you watch the news, everybody's an expert.
When the fears first started, now I'm talking about media, politicians and experts. They created fear. They created fear. Let's be clear about it. They created the fear and the hysteria that we all see. Nobody else but the media, the politicians and the experts, created the fear that we all feel. The fear that kept us at home. The fear the made us willing to isolate ourselves, the fear that made us willing to be under their suppressive thumb. The fear that leads to somebody like when I was in the store the other day in the shopping market, this wonderful lady walking down the aisle, gloves on, dressed head to toe, full length sleeves, mask on, hat on, completely protecting herself. We were in a wide supermarket aisle. She was going down the center of the aisle. She stocked eight feet for me to wait till I was done before passing me. She got a pass me easily with four or five feet, but she's, but she is obviously so scared and so under the suppressive thumb that her own fears and anxieties were just building up and this is how she has to go out and get her food.
Even when all this stuff has said and done and here's the problem with all this stuff has said and done and the merchants of chaos find it okay to talk about how we're recovering she's still going to be scared. She still going to be sitting in that suppressive thumb, because there's not going to anybody to come to her and say it's okay. You can feel better now. It's okay, it's over. It's okay. It was never true or whatever you need to say. Again, personal beliefs, but these people, these opportunistic politicians, and you know what I'm talking about.
For many, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. This is an opportunity to make a name for ourselves as the once in a lifetime opportunity, once in a lifetime chance, once in a lifetime thing, either to provide great leadership or seem like you are, or to be seen by the media to ensure your re-election, politicians main jobs get re-elected.
If you're in the house of representatives, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, your main job every two years is to get re-elected. That's what you have to do every two years you have to get re-elected. There's nothing else, so everything you do is about getting re-elected. Unless you're in leadership, and here's a little note, if he didn't know the people that are in leadership or the people that are insecure districts that will always get re-elected. Therefore, they have time to spend in leadership. If you're the governor of a state, you got to go with your voters and what your voters want. Well, the people that I like to do are the majority people of your own party. Therefore, you're pushing the agenda of your party, the agenda of those people that elect to you, that people that want you want to re-elect you. You're a politician. You're taking this as an opportunity. Merchants of chaos make their money off of our eyeballs. Our eyeballs are drawn to that, which is disastrous and negative. We're not drawn to stories about butterflies, we're not drawn to stories about flowers. We're not drawn to stories about how this little girl did a fantastic job and became a PHD or this little, we're not drawn to those stories. They're great. They're filler, but we're at a race or run an event and the car crashes. We all stand up to look when there's a crash on the side of the freeway, we all slow down to look. We are drawn to disaster. So, the media presents disaster. They present that constant barrage of story of negative T, a fear, that constant barrage of nothing you can do about it. You've got to go in, there's going to be millions of deaths. Oh, look at this poor person. I mean, there's several examples. Obviously the media just this last six weeks getting caught with their hands down their pants because they didn't figure out, or they didn't take the time to double check references or resources when they're putting somebody up or they're putting an image up, an image of hospitals overrun in New York and that image, well that was from Germany or some other place or France or Italy, a video of a girl crying because she was scared to death of having her, of, of catching Covid-19 at the hospital jobs she worked at, cause he wouldn't provide her masks. Well, it turns out she hadn't worked there for a year, but the media didn't take the time to check this because the media is being, again, merchants of chaos, merchants of destruction, providing us with the things we need to be scared, to be suppressed and the politicians, of course, they just are taking a measure or the experts popped up early on. I remember early on, it must have been February, somebody from the FDA came out and said there's going to be half a million deaths. Well first off, the FDA has got a lot of problems. A lot of questionable ethics over there. That's time for maybe some other shows some other time, but why is he getting out in the media putting him on the stage? Who the hell is he? I want to hear from the experts. I want to hear from the CDC who quite frankly is one of the few unmolested organizations in this country. One of the few organizations that doesn't have a taint over them. One of the few government agencies that hasn't had a scandal that I know of.
That was some guy from the FDA making that proclamation, but he got his time. He got his 15 minutes of fame, probably got him a better job, probably got him on the resume, probably got a lot of attaboys from his social group. What the flip side of that is, he scared a lot of people. He suppressed a lot of people with that fear. That's oppression, leads to depression, suppression leads to depression.
So, you know the show is not always, the show is just not about the crap for lack of better words. The show is also about what we can do about it. We better understand what is being said around us. We better understand what we're looking at in our lives. We better understand what might be happening to us. Well, what can we do about it? So, what I did was I went out and did research on that. Like what do people say now. I'm going to use two things.
I just mentioned the CDC here. I found a great article from the CDC and I found a great article from NAMI. NAMI is the national, the National Alliance on Mental Illness. Okay. So, a group that I'll admit I don't have a lot of love for, but the national Alliance on Mental Illness and the CDC, both of which National Alliance about the wellness, how to protect your mental health during the coronavirus outbreak. That's their article, how to protect your mental health during the coronavirus outbreak available on their website.
Then there is the CDC, Coronavirus Disease 2019, stress and coping. That's their article. So, something I found here that I thought was very interesting and it was a under number two. Take reasonable precautions, but don't go overboard. Use only reliable sources of information such as the CDC or John Hopkins University informing me to make a plan for your health habits, as hard as is important not to give into compulsive behaviours.
So, they're saying you'll keep yourself informed of the CDC and can't keep yourself…. So why is it important? Why is it important to keep yourself informed via the CDC website or John Hopkins University? Those are both obviously the main sources. Anybody who's going to find out how many people that died. Johns Hopkins University, beautiful graphic, beautiful covid-19 graphic showing all the cases, red and black, very impactful. All the cases around the world. number of deaths. You can scroll down to your own little States and then your County and find out if the data is there, how many people have died and the CDC, straight up numbers, four o'clock every day numbers are updated and you have a straightforward, X number have died of X number of cases we've had.
John Hopkins is getting a lot more hits, but I'll tell you why. It's because of the frigging website. It is so impactful, like you get addicted to it. I got to see that again. Oh my God. The red circle around my town is huge. Fear, scare, fear, scare, isolation, depression, but then there's a CDC, which of course probably has not gotten as many people looking at it because who goes to the CDC about how to handle their mental health? Take care of yourself in your community. Take breaks from watching reading or listening to news stories.
Oh my gosh.
What do you know? Ways to cope with stress. Take breaks from watching reading or listening to news stories, including social media. Hearing about the pandemic repeatedly can be upsetting. Amen. CDC. Amen. You don't need to, you don't need to be listening to it all the time. You don't need to really know what's going on. You don't need to have the constant influx of 10,000 people have died. What's the latest - United States of America has the most deaths in the world. Well, we also have one of the biggest populations, right, and for a generally freedom, loving country freedom loving people. We've been pretty darn good, but you don't need that. You don't need that.
Check out the CDC. I'll put a link in our show notes that you can find it ThroughtheMind.com link to these articles, I mean, I just thought the CDC article was great.
Healthcare providers can and do help connect people with family and loved ones to help lower distress and feelings of social isolation, but older adults and people with disabilities not as common for people to feel distressed or in crisis. Have a procedure and referrals ready for anyone to show severe distress or express the desire to hurt him or herself. By the way, I do also like that distress is a term being used here by the CDC and not some psychological terms, some psychiatric terms, some known mental health terms right out of DSM5, the Diagnostic Statistical Manual Number Five with its thousands of disorders.
What communities do to long-term care facilities should be vigilant for people coming out of quarantine. Most of the reactions to coming out of quarantine may include mixed emotions, relief, fear, and worry about your own health and the health of your loved ones. Stress and experience of monitoring yourself are being monitored. Sadness, anger, frustration, because friends, loved ones have unfounded fears. Guilt about not being able to perform normal work, other emotional, mental health changes. So yeah, so you're basically, you've been suppressed and you're going to have mixed emotions when you come out. It's going to happen, guys. It's going to happen, and your awareness may be higher than others. You may come out thinking, Oh, we're good to go and you're going to be concerned because still as you're operating, you're going to reach out to shake somebody's hand. Like I'm going to, I know, I know it'll happen. I'll reach out and shake somebody's hand and they'll hold back. They'll do an elbow bump. Right? So even a fist bump anymore. Now it's the elbow bump, elbow bump. I'm going to reach out to give somebody a hug and he's going to walk me cause I'm a hugger now. Oh yeah, yeah. Sorry. Sorry man. Sorry. Yeah, I don't mean to do that.
So, what can you do? Alright, so let's get down to it. Down to brass tacks. We're about getting things done. We're about doing, we're about fixing, we're about helping. So, CDC had some great advice there. First step:
I'm reading a book right now by Steven Levy about Facebook and trust me, all of that is designed to do exactly what I just said. It's designed to keep you in. It's designed to suck you in. It's designed to pull you in more. Every feature ever developed was about growth. Every feature of developed was about capturing your ideal eyeballs for longer and longer and longer and longer. So, I have this app, it blocks in the newsfeed. The only time I will see you as a friend is if I go to you as a friend. So, step away from Facebook, step away from this If you're feeling depressed at all, shut off the news. You don't need to watch the news. You don't need to know what's going on because trust me, if the world's going to end, there's gonna be a knock at your door or somebody is going to call you. You don't need to know every day what the news is saying, what the governor is saying, what the people are saying in your town. There's other ways you can find out without having the merchants of chaos tell you. There's other ways you could find out.
You don't need the politicians telling you and suppressing you and suppression leads to depression. When it comes down to it, when you are less threatened by your environment, you will start doing better. So, get away from those threats, and even if it means not taking the phone call from old aunt Betty because she is just scared to death and she's telling you, what do you mean? Well, why did you go for a walk? He can't go for a walk with the kids or somebody else passing on false information, right? False information, false information leads to fear. When you're fearful and you can't do anything about it, you're suppressed and when you're suppressed for a long enough, at least the depression, apathy, death, desire for.
Alright, so isolation, depression, as we end this show, which I hope we've all learned a little, something about isolation, about depression, about suppression as we in the show, as we will do with all shows in the future, there's going to be an exercise you didn't know that, did you. There's going to be an exercise. So I am going to assign an exercise to all of us, including myself and the next week when I come on our next episode, I will talk immediately about the results of my episode and in fact, one of the things I'm trying to do, I'm trying to start keeping a diary. I'm trying to start keeping a journal. I'm trying to start keeping a journal, daily thoughts. There's a great book, the Five-Minute Journal forces you every day to answer some questions, I haven't quite figured out if that's my solution or what works best for me, but I'm trying to, and if I can do that, then I could share those thoughts with you, but next week I will talk about the results of this week's assignment and since we've been talking about media and the media and the merchants of chaos, putting forward all this negativity and what they're allowing the politicians to channel into and what they're allowing the experts to channel and to create this fear and this isolation as depression.
I'm asking you to do one thing just for the next week for the next seven days till our next episode. Turn off the media. Don't watch the news. Don't read the newspaper. Don't look at your social media feeds. If you want to go see what your friends are doing, fine, but shut off at least, at least, at least shut off anything that feeds you news, don't go to Yahoo's homepage where they have all these new articles post there. Don't go to your favorite blog with news articles. Don't go to the Huffington post. Don't go to any of the other daily feeds, Blaze, or any others that just are trying to get clickbait, clickbait, clickbait comes from fear. Get somebody scared of, Oh! It says, I gotta know. I gotta know.
Oh, suppression equals depression. So that's the assignment. Turn off the news for one week, just one week, and see how you feel. One week starting now. Next week I'll talk about what I've done and I hope we all get something out of this.
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Does Green Tea Help with Depression? We think so.
Depression has been called the bane of human existence. It is a silent killer that completely consumes our mind, body, and spirit, while we try to maintain a strong front on the outside. Although talking to a professional or a loved one can help with our issues, there is another effective treatment that should be dabbled into more often.
That treatment is food. We are what we eat, and our gut is responsible for the production of serotonin that happens to be our 'happy hormone.' So, a happy, healthy gut means a happy, healthy you. Green tea is one such product that is extremely helpful in dealing with depression and anxiety.
Until now, most of us have associated green tea with weight loss, but the possibility of curing depression is another one of the many benefits of this magical drink. To further prove our claim, we have gathered all the benefits of green tea and how its antioxidants work to uplift your mood.
What is Green Tea?
Green tea is a type of tea that is only minutely processed. Freshly picked tea leaves are boiled to avoid oxidation and to deactivate enzymes that might kill the organic green color. It aims to retain the quality of plant polyphenol.
Polyphenols are the main elements that lead to the development of mental well-being. They make up 30 percent of the total weight of fresh leaves. Antioxidants such as these are referred to as catechins.
Amino acids make up 2-4% of the total weight of green tea leaves, and one particular amino acid portion is theanine, which has unusual relaxing properties. The wellbeing-promoting influence of green tea is not due to a specific psychoactive chemical; rather, there is a symbiotic mixture of all antioxidants and active substances.
How Green Tea Helps Fight Off Depression
The following are the various properties of green tea that make it an excellent potential cure for depression in isolation.
The Anti-Depressant Properties of Catechins and Theanine
The antioxidants in green tea can aid to combat stress by working on the HPA axis. The HPA axis is a channel between the hypothalamus and the adrenal and pituitary glands, which are the essential hormone-producing parts of the human body.
This channel controls our response to stress and is affected by the rates of cortisol, a hormone that leads to the response to stress. Malfunctioning of the HPA axis is found in severe depressive illness.
Catechins decrease pain hormone rates and boost HPA axis instability to alleviate depression and symptoms of depression. Another mechanism of action that reduces anxiety and depression is affecting neurochemistry and enhancing antioxidant protection in the brain.
Along with catechins, green tea often provides a unique amino acid known as theanine that may assist with anxiety. L-theanine performs a therapeutic, anti-stress function by attenuating the operation of the HPA axis.
Getting Rid of Anxiety with L-Theanine
Consuming tea is a widely regarded and valued practice in Asian nations. In reality, relaxing is a core philosophy of the tea-drinking tradition. The intake of a single cup of green tea has an anti-inflammatory and calming effect. This preventive activity is verified by scientific research.
Several types of research have demonstrated the numerous forms in which catechins have an anti-depressive outcome:
Reduction of Oxidative Stress and Inflammation
Inflammation has a central part in causing depression and may lead to the development or deterioration of the condition. It can also be blamed for the clinical signs of depression, such as nausea, stomach discomfort, and decreased sleep. High levels of stress hormones induce increased inflammation in depression.
The key active ingredient of Green Tea, EGCG (epigallo catechin-O-gallate) has an anti-inflammatory impact. It prevents the function of large metabolic targets participating in inflammatory activities.
This anti-inflammatory activity of catechins may be helpful in inhibiting brain inflammation in psychiatric disorders. In addition to inflammation, there is a substantial rise in oxidative stress rates in anxiety.
Better Sleep Quality in Depression Due to Low Quantity of Caffeine in Green Tea
Sleep disruptions in depression can affect the cognitive capacity of the individual. Night disruptions and depression can also be a concrete proof-based warning indicator for suicide. Both scientists and patients are searching for healthy sleeping aids that are safe and free from these adverse effects.
Standard sleep-enhancing medications are widely addictive and have many side effects, including prolonged sleepiness. As a consequence, adherence to traditional sedative treatment is low.
With minimal caffeine, green tea can assist in boosting sleep patterns and reducing tension.
Refinements in sleep quality are more noticeable in people who consume green tea and have a reduced amount of caffeine relative to regular tea. There was also a decrease in depression and tension signals in the low caffeine community.
This is probably attributed to higher amounts of theanine in green tea. The proportion of theanine to caffeine and EGCG is 2.5 times greater in reduced caffeine tea than in regular tea. L-theanine is also an established natural sleep support.
Regular intake of green tea has a definite correlation with a decreased incidence of depression. Catechins, including ECGC, caffeine, and theanine found in green tea, strengthen antioxidant protection, increase cell viability, and preserve neurons.
They mediate a therapeutic impact by regulating the function of the HPA axis, reducing the rates of stress hormones, and affecting neurochemistry. L-theanine has an anti-inflammatory influence and enables enhanced attention and awareness.
Which is why, for moderate depression and for rehabilitation and avoidance of depression, the regular intake of green tea can have a possible preventive impact.
Welcome to Through the Mind, Discovering Mental Health, an exploration of discovery into our Human Minds, our Human Bodies and our Human Spirits.
This is our first episode... an introduction to your host, Matson Breakey and his reasons for staring this new journey of exploration.
In this episode you will learn about Matson's background, why he is starting this new project, how Sheltering in Place and COVID-19 inspired the project, why the psychiatric industry makes him angry and what he has in store for future episodes.
April 18, 2020
Podcast, Episode 1 of Season 1
Through the Mind, Discovering Metal Health
My name is Matson Breakey, welcome to Through the Mind, Discovering Mental Health.
This is episode number one (1) of season one (1) the inaugural episode, the first one at the beginning, the pilot.
This hopefully is the start of something amazing. It is an amazing trip for me and hopefully an amazing journey for you.
Why this podcast? Why Through the Mind? Why do I hope you will join us, and listen and share this adventure with me?
Well, first a little about myself. As I said my name is Matson Breakey. I am an Entrepreneur. I am a Businessman. I am a Marketing Guy. I am a Sales Guy. I am an Event Coordinator. I am a Graphic Designer. I have done all kind of stuff in my life.
Currently, I am a part of a company that is fairly successful based out, just out of sight of Sacramento. has about a 70,000 square foot building where we manufacture parts for Jeeps and off-road suspension, all that kind of fun stuff.
It’s been a fun ride, 12 years doing that Company now, and it’s been great. You know, some of the most amazing people I have met in my life. it has benefited me. Great opportunity, and um, allowing, me, and my amazing wife and my three kids to enjoy the life that we have. I feel truly blessed, by the opportunities that it has afforded me.
My history is that I have gone down many different paths and tried many different skills and careers, and I have enjoyed all of them. I have been an accountant. I have designed websites. I have done, if you could think of it, I’ve probably tried it because that is who I am and that’s what I enjoy doing. So, I like new projects. I like new challenges.
Back in the, back in my twenties, which was a very long time ago, not to age myself, back in my twenties I spent a lot of time doing volunteer work, probably more time volunteering than earning a living, and part of that, one of the things I worked a lot in was the Medical Health Field, I did. So, as a member of an organization whose primary goal was to investigate and expose psychiatric violations of human rights, they do so around the world. I was working outside of the Sacramento office here. It was an extraordinary time for that short period of time that I was working with them. I saw things that would make most people cringe. I learned about how the human mind was just being exploited and by, this big pharma industry whose primary goal is money. I mean, I understand that maybe there are people that work for big pharma who really are trying to help; but let’s face it, big pharma is big industry, big industry is big money.
These companies are publicly traded for the most part. And what do they depend upon? They depend upon the Stock Market and their Stock Price and everything that capitalism, that I love about capitalism, don’t get me wrong, I am true and true a capitalist; but that is what they depend upon. That is the motivating factor. and to that point, many of times it doesn't matter what their drugs may actually do. I mean quite frankly, if you watched a commercial for any sort of antidepressant or any other sort of anti-anxiety pill or just about anything, gosh I don't care what the, the drug or medicine is, is being published on TV these days. When they get to that end point where they start listening to side effects, if anybody actually paid attention to the side effects, you wouldn't want to take that medication. I mean come on like they might as well say you take this, you might die but Hey, take it anyway because we have really cool people on and this commercial is really cool and you'll feel better cause you will take this drug.
So, there is a, a problem with the industry that I simply can't allow to exist. So, when I was looking at what I was going to do next, what was my next major project? You know, this is April 16th, when I am doing this episode is April 16th. We have now been sheltering in place for a month. I've been fortunate, more fortunate that the rest of my family and that because my operations over there at our company is considered essential because it is automotive parts. And we do a work on vehicles including, vehicles for the local Sheriff's department. We, um, I've been able to get out of the house every day, go do our operations. We are running a skeleton crew, but I've been able to go do that, whereas my wife and my kids haven't. And so, we come back, we do walks, we do things that we can to make sure that we can get out and enjoy life, while also paying attention to the requirements of sheltering place.
But it also gives you a chance to think, because I'm a hugger, I love to come up to somebody and man, it's so good to see you. I'm going to give you a big bear hug. I'm a big guy. I'm six foot three. Um, I thankfully don't weigh the 270 pounds, I used to weigh. I'm down to about 220 right now to a, a combination of different, diets from a keto experiment that I was doing, um, to a, to currently actually on a plant-based experiment. I like to experiment. I experiment with different things we do for our company. I experiment with different things I do for marketing and that's why I'm doing this podcast. It's an experiment, um, to see if we can achieve something together, if we can learn together. And so, the but I like to, I like to come up and give you a hug, give you a handshake.
Really just, you know that, that one Oh, one physical contact of man, I am so glad you are here. And it's a very Western thing. I spent many of years overseas and in, in Japan, and where that physical contact is not as readily accepted, right? There's a distance there and it's just part of a culture. And it's one of the reasons probably why Japan and places like that already have a lessening of an impact in their region from this COVID-19 is probably because they're already conditioned to not just give up and give somebody a bear hug. Um, there are flip sides of that. Something I can talk about later. I don't really want to talk about that and how, but try to ride a train on early morning commute and you're packed in literally by by people pushing you in conductors pushing you in and shove you in by a bunch of sardines.
So, you go from having this desired space between people to this, you have no choice. You're now shoved with your elbow into somebody else's groin. You know, it's just, it's, it's a very weird environment in that. But here we're very much Western. We're very much about the handshake. We're very much about the bear hug. We're very much about that physical contact. And that's that person I am. So even when I get a chance to be out from the house and out with my co-workers, with my employees, it's still a certain amount of isolation. And that's something we'll talk about in the next episode. So, this, this episode is a primer. It's an opportunity to tell you a little bit more about why I'm doing it and what I expect to get out of this show; but in the next episode, our very first real episode, isolation and depression is a subject we're going to tackle.
Anyway, why am I doing this? Who am I? So, my time working in the Mental Health Field really brought about a passion in me to try to help people. So many years ago, I started a radio show called ‘Through the Mind’, the same name we're using here now with this podcast and that radio show, it was a local show, a hundred watt station with a Black Chamber of Commerce. Um, that, that allowed me to come in. God bless him for letting me do it. Come in and do the show. And it was a half hour show, maybe one these days. I'll actually publish some of those shows as, as retrospective episodes for the Through the Mind podcast. But we tackled every week, not only the news of the week, which could have been anywhere from a public shooting to something being brought up about mental health, but we tackled the news of the week. We also tackled subjects of the week, and I had a great time doing that because it was a chance to expose what I saw as some lies and hypocrisy within, an industry that again, sometimes cares more about the money being procured than it was about the cure being provided.
So, this Through the Mind is my next project and I hope that you will join me in this journey because this is a journey of education for myself as well as for you. I'm not a doctor. I don't try to pretend to be one on the internet. I don't know everything about mental health. I'm not coming to as an expert, I'm coming to you as a friend that wants to have a conversation and that conversation is going to be about the things I'm learning and the things I want to share with you and hopefully about the things you can share with me.
See, I get upset when I watch TV and I see these commercials from big pharma talking about how with this little drug you can, you can achieve happiness. Oh by the way, if this drug doesn't work and if your, if your antidepressant isn't working, try this drug to enhance the antidepressant and let's use this drug to do that in the strict and that and all of this list, the side effects, all based on some things that I think are preconceived notions that do not really add up for me. So, I get upset with Big Pharma making billions of dollars. I get upset with psychiatry killing people. You don't hear about it too often. You don't hear about it too often. But when back in the 20 I'll tell you a little story. Back in my twenties where I was working with this organization. There was a story that came across our desk from a local County here just North of Sacramento, a young man, a young man who was born with half a brain. He was born with half a brain and yet he was a B student an A student. He was a successful individual. He had made it through his life as a, as a teenager. He was successful. He was doing good in school. He was doing good in sports. He was front-end purposes, a great son. There was an episode, I don't quite remember what caused the episode, but there was an episode, something set him off. Father and son were yelling at each other. The authority showed up. The kid was taken away for 51 50. What's a 51 50? 51 50 is a code for an involuntary commitment - 72-hour hold. The law still exists in the books here that the authorities can take somebody who considered to be a danger to himself or others. If it's a mental illness issue, they take them down a County Mental Health Clinic, drop them off for 5150 a 72-hour hold.
They could take them to other facilities as well. In fact, that's one of the interesting things that I've learned is, is you can go down to our private [inaudible]. I met the marketing director at one of the private facilities here in, in Sacramento years ago, and he told me his goal is to keep 80% of the beds full. So how does he do that? He networks, he networks with the Courts. He networks with the Police Department. He networks with the Ambulance Companies. He networks to encourage them, Hey, if you're bringing a 5150 just, just come down to my location. Just, just come down to where we're at. Because his goal is to keep those beds full. That's his job at 80% they're making a profit. At 70% they're not! So, he encouraged them anyway. A 5150 is his involuntary commitment. So, this young man who didn't have any other history but went into this episode that was condemned a psychotic episode or that he was a danger to himself or others was taken to a Mental Health Hospital. 48 hours later he was dead.
So our organization did an investigation in conjunction with some other organizations whose, who were patient advocates to look into the situation, to find out what happened and what it was, was drugs were given to him on top of drugs, were given to them on top of drugs, were given to him on top of drugs, were given to him, and he died. Unnecessary, unnecessary death! What happened? Oh, the report came out on and hands were slapped. Hands were slapped and nothing really came about it.
So yeah, I get upset about psychiatry killing people about big pharma killing people. I get upset because ECT, Electric Shock Therapy is still in use, in this day and age. Can you believe that! That something that was invented with a cattle prod is still used today to quote and quote fix the human mind? You see, I get upset that people actually believe and try to sell the use of this machine on the on the innocent, on the undereducated, on those that don't know any better. Now it's supposedly safer than it used to be. One flew over the Cuckoo's nest. Great, great movie shows the dark side of ECT; but if you actually go and watch that movie, that dark side of ECT is simply what happens when you shove electricity through your brain.
Autopsies is shown that the brain is actually damaged from that damaged. Yeah, rewiring anything you not adjusting the chemicals, you're damaging the brain and yet ECT is a little bit safer now because they put you under certain medications to make your body less likely to convulse, but it's still available.
So, I get upset about the fact that they'll still use something like Electric Shock Therapy. I'm a little depressed. Hey, let's fry your brain. You'll feel better. I get upset cause Medico's the Medical Profession, the MDs, the doctors, the guys we go to, our family practitioners don't take the time to learn the truth. Every day they're sold by Big Pharma on new drugs to use and most of them don't really understand. You know how it's possible. I don't know. I get that there's so much to learn. I get the doctors have a lot to learn, but that's what they signed up for.
You know, most manifestations of mental illness, and it's not just me saying this, most manifestations of mental illness have an underlying physical cause. It's become more and more true and more and more apparent, and we'll talk about that in future episodes. Papers have been written on this. I even found in my research and extension course, you know, for continuing education credits for psychologists that was focused on that one subject, how much they miss, how much the medical, the mental illness industry misses underlying physical causes when they're making diagnoses. Why? Well walk into a Psychiatric Hospital, walk into a Psychiatric Hospital where they had people held in beds and say, Hey, do you have a medical doctor on? No, no, no, I don't. I don't. I don't want a psychiatric doctor. Do you have a medical doctor on staff?
Someone who takes blood tests when they walk in. Who does a complete workup to see if there are underlying medical causes to the psychotic episode that may have just occurred? The answer is a resounding no. You see, let me use my wife as an example. My wonderful wife, before we were married, we'd been together for a few years, so she knew my proclivity towards psychiatry. She knew my opinion and she was smart enough. When she walked to in doctor's office, she was having some episodes that can be best described as anxiety, front-end purposes you'd look at and go, she's having an anxiety attack and this woman never had those and all of a sudden they started up in the supermarket other places she'd shake violently, so she went to the doctor. What's wrong with me, doctor? What's wrong? He looked at her, looked at her symptoms, took two seconds, said here and prescribed her a pill, an anti-anxiety medication.
Now she was smart enough, God bless her, I love her. She was smart enough at that moment to go, Whoa, wait a second doctor. I don't want that. Aren't you going to do a blood test? Aren't you going to do a workup? She insisted on a blood test. She insisted on getting a physical. She insisted on getting a workup and thank God she did because then we discovered the roots of most of her issues had to do with her thyroid.
Thyroid problems represent a vast majority of many of the things that we look at and go, Oh, that's classified as mental illness. Now it may be manifesting itself as that, but it has an underlying physical cause. So, over this journey, we will discuss those over this journey. We will learn that together, over this journey we will pay attention to what's going on in the human body, in the human mind, the human spirit. I say human mind, human body and human spirit, and maybe in some people that's an overused phrase, but I'm using it specifically for Through the Mind for this podcast, for one very important reason, spirit, spiritual spirituality. It is my firm belief that you are not a body. You are not a brain. You are a spiritual being. You are not your legs. You are not your bones. You are not your heart. You are a spiritual being. You don't have a soul. You are a soul who has a body, who has legs, who has bones, who has a heart, who has a brain and that is going to be a fundamental focus of this podcast forever.
If you agree with me, fantastic. If you don't agree, take the time to learn. Maybe we can learn about that together, but that is my basic philosophy in anything I look at. Can you imagine for an instance, can you imagine for an instance if science, if scientists had to look at man as a spiritual being in determining the results of their studies? because most scientists, for all intent purposes, especially those dealing with the human body, have to deal with the human body as if it is simply the body of an animal. It is flesh and blood, bones, brain, grey cells, the body of animal. So, all the diagnosis, all the hypotheses, all the theories, all the conclusions are drawn based on you and I being nothing more than animals. I don't believe that to be true.
Can you imagine if scientists had an inkling in their work that man is a spiritual being and as a spiritual being, he is affected differently than just his body or his brain, and that they used that concept for a second in their studies, the conclusions they may draw the, the decisions, the theories that they may ponder that [inaudible] that they may put forward could be completely different. I mean, it's a wet dream, but gosh, if we could do that.
So, in this podcast, that's how I'm going to approach it. I want to approach things we look at. I want to approach these different subjects about Mental Health from the idea that you, my friend, are a spiritual being that I am a spiritual being. We're going to do shows about a number of different topics, different types of categories.
We will do shows where we're simply clearing up a particular misconception about mental health and mental illness. Meaning we could take a subject; we could take a single subject like depression and break it down like quote and quote bipolar disorder. Break it down. What is the truth? as I see it. We're going to tackle mental health issues in the news. Guys, look right now, right now, what all of us sheltered in place, depression has gone up. Suicide rate has gone up. All you hear now in the news is this negative, negative, negative, fear, fear, fear.
Some stations like CVS being called out because they've been showing the most horrific images only to discover that many of those images were fake or taken from some out of context or never checked the interview was never checked to see if it was the person who was telling the truth or not. That fear-mongering, creating these greater levels of depression, where we can't do anything about it. So, what do we do? Well, when you can't fight back, you internalize when you internalize depression, onsets, fears about the future, suicide rate goes up. This is the kind of stuff we're going to tackle.
Next week's episode isolation and depression specifically because that's what I'm seeing in the news. So, I want to tackle that with you. I want to, I want to explore it. I want to see what we can do about it. We're going to break down mental health industry lies. I'm going to take on subjects. If I'm lucky, I might be able to actually get some people on the show to debate about this. I mean wouldn't that be awesome? Be able to bring them on industry professionals who would probably waive their doctorates in front of me and wave their resumes in front of me and go, who are you? Cause you're just a guy asking a bunch of questions but ultimatum, I'll take them on. Why not? It's a learning process. Communication is learning, and whether I win or lose doesn't matter. What matters is learning. Is taking on the opportunity to challenge them and see if we can all learn something out of it.
I'm going to do book reports. I'm a voracious reader, so one of the things I've decided to do is start diving in not only to all the books I have read about mental health industry, but even some books that I normally wouldn't touch. Books, written memoirs written by people who had claimed to have had schizophrenia memoirs by people who are pro mental industry, pro psychiatry and books written against it. I'm going to tackle those books. I'm going to share them with you. We'll get authors on this show to talk about their books, which also leads to what I really want to do with these long form interviews. Long form, meaning not a half hour, but maybe an hour and a half, maybe two hours. Really digging in and discussing with people who have been through life's issues, who have been through maybe an incident with a psychiatric industry, maybe, who have current health issues that they're trying to solve, any number of, of, of possibilities. Authors, um, industry professionals. Um, those who have been out there on the front lines, some of my old friends and best skin in exposing psychiatric violations of human rights will bring them all together. We'll have interviews with these guys. That's my plan. That's my goal and hopefully you guys can send messages to me and say, Hey, why don't you bring this person on her? Check out this Booker. Can you tackle this particular subject? I'm going to love to hear from you guys. We will talk about solutions. I don't want to just talk about problems because just talking about problems puts us in the same boat, the same situation, the same way that the media is what the media is doing to us right now. Problem, problem, problem. What? What do you do about, Oh, we don't have any solutions, but these are the problems that we need to know about. You need to know about these problems. Yeah, but give me a solution. All you do is feed me problems, that all you're doing is making my life worse.
You know the media, we're going to have an episode in the future called merchants of destruction. It's going to be all about the media because that's who they are. You know, alertness is not a political statement, whether you're one side or the other of the political spectrum. It is simply a statement about the media and how mainstream media does an incredible job of attracting eyeballs when they talk about the most destructive possibilities.
They try to balance it out with these little uplifting stories about people, but that's not what attracts the eyeballs. It's the scary headlines. It's the crash. You know, we, we as humans just tend to do that. Like, you know, you watch it, you watch a road race and you're waiting for the crash is when everybody gets excited about, we don't want the crash. We don't want anybody get hurt. We don't want anybody to die, but the crash is what everybody stands up to see. The media knows this, the media brings it in and the media wants a show you every day a crash, so you'll be glued to them; but when all they're doing is feeding you negative and not give me any solutions. It doesn't make your life better.
So, here we're going to be talking about depression. We're going to be talking about anxieties, we're going to be talking about fears, we're going to be tackling things you might be feeling right now, but we're going to talk about solutions. We'll talk about nutrition, exercises, alternative medicine, alternative ways of, of solving these problems that we are dealing with every day and I even have a plan to have a little therapeutic episode, a little therapeutic exercise at the end of every episode. Something we can all do. What I'll do is we'll do that episode. We'll do that therapy. I'll tell you guys how I did with that last exercise. I'll share with you the winds, the realizations, the benefits I got from doing that exercise and I hope you guys will take the time to share with me.
So, I hope I've, I've given you an all a sense as to who I am, what the show's about and expressed my passion for the subject and why I'm looking forward to this journey with you. I am thankful personally to each and every one of you for taking the time to listen to me. I'm thankful to each and every one of you for taking the time to join me on this podcast. We're going on a journey of discovery and learning. If you want to follow us, you can follow us at Through the Mind on Facebook. You follow us at Instagram? Join us on a private Facebook group. We just set up that you can share your stories, look for advice and support. I'll be sharing my stories. We'll share other stories and we'll, we'll look to support each other through this journey, not only in ideas and topics, but personal experiences.
You can contact me directly on Facebook or send me an email to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Thank you, my friends be well.